But Officer, I can explain...

[kimbra_ailis]

This one deals with consensually role playing a rape fantasy with your signifigant other... Plans have been made, everything is laid out and ready. It starts with her being kidnapped from a semi public place. The grab seems to be going well, she is struggling, get in her in the vehical and pull away... she is doing the scremaing, kicking, begging thing... Suddenly cops pull you over... Or maybe you got to the place/hotel... starting to have some fun and the cops knock on the door.... Apparently some concerned citizen happened to have seen something and called the police.

FUCK!!!!



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What would happen if you had to explain to the police or emergency medical personnel that you were doing things consensually, and wanted to play out your fantasies?
Could you explain what you and your partner were doing? Would you ever try rape fantasy again?

[thehomedespot]

For me, half the issue might be WHO responded. I know so many officers and paramedics from my line of work, there would be at least a 50/50 chance that someone at the door would be someone I would know. That adds a whole different aspect... patient confidentiality would go way out the window. I would hope though that I my partner and I would be able to explain it well... even if I would be doing most of the talking. And I would probably simply tell them the truth, it's a lot more common than people think, I'm sure they get calls like that on occasion...

As for doing it again... you better believe it.

[Mystique]

Truth is better and truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. I think the cops would have encountered something like that before. I bet they have had to rescue couples who've lost keys to the handcuffs and stuff. So embarassing as it is, it can just be called kinky sex.

Of course I'd try it again. The fear of getting caught is part of the fun isn't it?

[MyWorldCT]

Truth is better and truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. I think the cops would have encountered something like that before. I bet they have had to rescue couples who've lost keys to the handcuffs and stuff. So embarassing as it is, it can just be called kinky sex.

Of course I'd try it again. The fear of getting caught is part of the fun isn't it?

I love the risk of getting caught as the rapist during play... it is part of the challenge.  I have had the cops called on me and one girl in Washington, DC but I told the cops who arrived that it was her deepest fantasy and they both smiled and said, "Have fun with that!"

I heard one of them say to his partner, "I wish my wife looked like that and would wear my handcuffs like that."

My girl had her hands handcuffed between her legs and I was forcing her to masturbate for me at knife point in a car (the cops did not see the knife), before I took what I wanted from her.  I actually left her like that as I talked to the cops, and they kept looking into the car and directly at her pussy as they asked her questions.  They told me to "get her to a hotel or something".

[kimbra_ailis]

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[foobar909]

>>  the police never think it's as funny as you do.

Yup, THAT'S the truth.   I'd have said something similar but you've said it better than I could.

Foobar

[BludMagnus]

The issue isn't really getting caught, it is the perception both of the cops if and when they show up and those of the individual who called.  Also, we have had drilled into us that, as "responsible members" of a "responsible society" we are to report any "strange" behavior.  It is no wonder that these days, police officers are trained to doubt not only what is told to them by the people they encounter when they investigate calls, but to immediately doubt the caller him/herself.  Also, what is "responsible" or normal are very fluid things, and the bottom line on that is that when cops stick to what most people want enforced or solidified as the norms of the law, they are left with an awful mass of mostly useless calls that are nothing more than over-blown "disturbing the peace" incidents at most.

[Mystique]

The issue isn't really getting caught, it is the perception both of the cops if and when they show up and those of the individual who called.  Also, we have had drilled into us that, as "responsible members" of a "responsible society" we are to report any "strange" behavior.  It is no wonder that these days, police officers are trained to doubt not only what is told to them by the people they encounter when they investigate calls, but to immediately doubt the caller him/herself.  Also, what is "responsible" or normal are very fluid things, and the bottom line on that is that when cops stick to what most people want enforced or solidified as the norms of the law, they are left with an awful mass of mostly useless calls that are nothing more than over-blown "disturbing the peace" incidents at most.

Yeah I agree with that. Like do you call the cops if you see a couple having sex in a vehicle? Could it be rape? Maybe she's really loud and likes to scream. Or maybe they like to be kinky and exhibitionist like? But there has to be a line between what is disturbing the peace and what is some puritan idea of peace. Like that case where some woman reported that guy who was naked in his own home - now that I got pissy about because 1. she had no right being where she was to be able to see a naked guy in his own home and 2. It was his fucking home. I mean what was the big deal? It wasn't like there was a naked thief in the home having coffee. Or maybe she thought it was a rapist who'd just done the deed and was relaxing now. Either way, she should have been charged with trespassing if she was that close to be able to see.

But then you have to wonder, what if he was a rapist having a coffee after rape? What if the call you made meant someone was saved from a rape? Or what if that called took away resources that could have been used to save someone somewhere else?

As a norm I would listen and see if the situation is dangerous. If there is a weapon involved then I am likely to call the cops. I would be curious and amused by streakers, not really offended by them

[prey4me]

I came across a book of cop anecdotes once, titled,"So What's Your Ex use?"

There are issues that are relevent to people engaged in this:  "Disorderly Person(s)," "Breach of the Peace," "Lewd and Lasivious Behavior," "Indecent Exposure," etc.  Laws vary from place to place.  Wouldn't be a bad idea to do a bit of research.

Now, what if the cops came to the following situation: a guy recruited another man to actually rape his exgirlfiend as a revenge set-up!

...Arranged Ex-Girlfriend's Rape Through Craigslist

- Even in the Craigslist "Casual Encounters" section -the red light district of the Internet- it was a shocking offer.

A woman named 'Sara,' looking for a "real aggressive man," asking him to rape her inside her home. Even more shocking, however, was that at least one man, 26-year-old T M_________ answered the ad, saying he was willing to be the woman's attacker.

But the biggest surprise was yet to come.

The author of the dark fantasy, police say, was really the woman's ex-boyfriend,  named J______ S_____. And it was S_____, police say, who was e-mailing with M_________l as he planned the break-in and rape.

Police say S____ provided an address, a picture, and then waited for the brutal assault to happen.

On Dec. 11th, T_____ M______ broke into the woman's home in _________, gagged her, tied her up and raped her, according to police.

When investigators from the  Sheriff's Office sorted everything out, they charged M________ with sexual assault and S_______ with being an accomplice.

Both men are still in the County jail as their cases move forward. S_______ was formally charged this week.

"The aspect of the internet being involved and the technological part of recovering evidence, computer sources, phone sources, multimedia sources, does create some issues for investigators," District Attorney M______  B________told us. "It's not the kind of case I would have seen 10-years ago."

B_______ is still charging M_______with rape, even if M________ contends he thought he was just acting out a fantasy.

"We anticipated that. We'll be ready to answer that with our evidence," B_________ said.

Computer security expert C_________ T________ says there is little you can do to stop something from happening, but some measures can help.

"Every now and then Google-ing yourself will give you a good sense of your Internet presence, and if you see something fraudulent you can report it," T_________ told us.

   

I guess M__________ didn't bother working out safe word with "Sara!"

[Mystique]

The author of the dark fantasy, police say, was really the woman's ex-boyfriend,  named J______ S_____. And it was S_____, police say, who was e-mailing with M_________l as he planned the break-in and rape.

So, the ex-boyfriend wanted Sara raped and put the fantasy advert on Craiglist. The guy who replied to the ad contacted S (who is not Sara but Sara's ex) about it and "she" (in reality Sara's ex) provided a picture of herself and details required.

Sara got raped for real since it wasn't her fantasy. It's a little similar to what happened in this case - You are not allowed to view links.
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- though in that one the husband wanted to watch.

The significance of a safe word is clear.

I was wondering about the case where you came across a rape fantasy being played out. Seeing there is no weapon, you choose to engage and see if someone needs assistance. How would the participants convince you that it is just play? One can give you the safe word, then ask the "victim" what the safe word is... Or is it just better to call the cops and let them handle it?

[Dominator Demor]

Actual rape is by definition: "The act of forcing sexual intercourse or other sexual activity upon another person, without their consent and/or against their will".

So if a consensual roleplay gains a police officer's attention and the woman explain it is consensual sex activity there should be no issue.
If it is a consensual intercourse then there is no public interest for authorities.

Troubles can arise if the woman, or generally the partner playing the "victim", decides to lie about the consensual nature.
I don't know why a sane person should do this, except for some form or revenge.

In that case the accused partner should use the knowledge of  "forensic science", as they call it . I'd suggest him/her to call his lawyer. Once cleared his/her name I think the partner who falsely accused the other will be in great troubles.

[prey4me]

These things used to be confined to pulp fiction.  How craigslist and the rest of the net have changed things!

Dom, private parties are not likely to avail themselves of "forensic science."  Even in law enforcement, what you see on CSI and Law and (dis)Order don't necessarily reflect real police work.  In a case like this, after the patrol units have arrived, stabilized the situation and secured the crime scene, you're likely to get sergeants and detectives who would arrive and make the final determination of the fact pattern.  And from my dealings with the cops (I have to work with them because of my city job) they're more likely to lock up the suspect--just to err on the side of caution--and let it get sorted out later.

They don't need "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" to effect an arrest.  "Probable cause" is sufficient.

I posted that only as a counter-example of just how weird these situations can get.  Quite similar to your story, Mystique.

Last thought: Granted, Dom, if the cops can be completely satisfied that they're involved in consensual sex, then that should be the end of it.  But if it came to their attention, then there was probably some public exposure--and that does involve them, starting with "breach of the peace" and going up to issues of public indecency, "lewd and lascivious conduct" (don't you just love that one!), and the like.

[Dominator Demor]

I was not talking about the difference between "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" and "Probable cause".

This is my field since I study law and I even know US law pretty well too. However I'll turn this post in an essay.

I just said that if the woman says to the officer it is a consensual activity there will be no issue.

In the other case falsely accusing a person is a crime. That was all.

[prey4me]

Some years ago, my employer, the city, required all employees to attend a workshop on "sexual harassment."  then we had to take a silly multiple-choice test, and sign a statement that we understood th city's policy.

Coming home from work, I proudly informed  my wife that I was now a "duly certified authority on sexual harassment!"

"Good," she answered.  "When are you going to get started?"

[Fae]

I live in an apartment and had the cops come knocking because a neighbor called the police--guess I shouldn't shouldn't shout certain things so loud.  They made me come to the door and tell them I was ok then left but I have to wonder what will happen if they get that call a few more times.